Tribe.net. Local Connections rOgEr http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#9b98ebff-944c-41ff-bad2-15fb5851598e 2009-02-25T03:31:32Z 2009-02-25T03:31:32Z

hi,roger here....we will once again be staking out the runway @ BM.......each year its a different surface... we'll do the best we can....last year was not easy,soft...dusty ,.in spite of that we had many ops from turbofan aircraft, king air's and such.Foreign objects are not an issue but the surface is. closer to the event we'll have a better idea. in the past ,the surface has been near-concrete like,they land the space shuttle on stuff like it,BUT not always the case....so contact the crew after our survey,we'll have a better idea what this year is like. love to see that thing out there. r

rOgEr 2009-02-25T03:31:32Z Ki http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#2ae1b591-50e8-415b-be7f-7a49c40bb3b2 2009-02-15T17:38:13Z 2009-02-15T17:38:13Z

I've done it in Herks on shorter, less improved strips... Best bet is to wait for word from Gulfstream's chief pilots. There may be additional considerations with respect to warranty and insurance, hurdles which should also be cleared before attempting this in such an expensive airplane. I wouldn't think the question is if the feat is possible bt rather, whether or not it's advisable, or safe, given the operating requirements of the aircraft, the limitations of the runway, and federal aviation regulations. Even if Gulfstream gives their go-ahead, might a special permit be required from the BLM? A key consideration is whether or not the runway will hold up. It's not just the gross weight of the aircraft. Rather, it's how the aircraft's landing gear and tires distributes it's weight across the runway surface. A key input, believe it or not, is the aircraft's tire pressure. There are several systems throughout the world, including the older ST/DT/TT etc. system, as well as the newer ACN/PCN system. So far as I know, the runawy at BRC has never been evaluated, other than by means of actual flight testing. If the runway bearing strength is insufficient it may result in a degraded runway surface, or worse, rutting and possible damage to the aircraft's undercarriage. I would advise you to proceed cautiously, ensuring that all issues are acceptably addressed. Coordinating with the BRC staff would probably be prudent, too.

Ki 2009-02-15T17:38:13Z flaming june http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#c314ad55-3667-4cf6-bb52-517851af5fbf 2008-09-02T18:33:37Z 2008-09-02T18:33:37Z

yeah Gulfstream came back and said no. Foreign object damage to a gas turbine engine = not sexy.

flaming june 2008-09-02T18:33:37Z Ron http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#2f77a072-d762-437b-a5c9-76bf0ee10c69 2008-09-02T18:21:36Z 2008-09-02T18:21:36Z

G4 is wayyyyyy over that weight.

Ron 2008-09-02T18:21:36Z Edward http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#b6b6089e-b907-48d9-bd6b-26a58f898848 2008-09-01T19:35:52Z 2008-09-01T19:35:52Z

It's actually been done three times that I know of. I was the Unicom operator when the first Citation came in in 2006 (we didn't believe it at first). They left that same night in a bad bad dust storm. Smithsonian Air & Space did an article about our airport and actually tracked down the owner of the Citation who said that the plane suffered no ill effects. In 2007, there were two jets, both Citations I believe, that seemed to do fine. One even took off from the road when the runway was unavailable. IIRC, the BLM imposes a 12,500-lb limit on the weight of the aircraft that come in. Would a G4 exceed that?

Edward 2008-09-01T19:35:52Z The Dr http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#ef191b93-865a-42e5-b629-786063ca06e2 2008-08-27T16:19:06Z 2008-08-27T16:19:06Z

It has only been done once before, in 2007. With a smaller jet. More advance coordination w Tiger Tiger might have been useful. There is a prop shuttle between Reno RNO and BRC.

The Dr 2008-08-27T16:19:06Z flaming june http://BRC-Aviation.tribe.net/thread/cc064ae5-8906-4107-95c7-11b9d16ba04b#0df8028f-2929-410a-8d93-1995e211279c 2008-08-27T00:13:14Z 2008-08-27T00:13:14Z

Hello, I know someone who is considering landing his Gulfstream G4 at Black Rock City, and is willing to be arrange for grading for the landing strip to be extended. The question remains whether the playa is a safe landing surface and more importantly, a safe takeoff surface. Gulfstream has been consulted with and they are still awaiting their reply. Any input would be appreciated - Has anyone ever done this before?

flaming june 2008-08-27T00:13:14Z