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Im new to the tribe, does BRC spaceport have an identifier? The pilot that is flying me asked if there is one.
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Sun, August 12, 2007 - 9:17 PMHumm i will ask for ya... but i dont know the answer off hand. -
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 6:09 AMIn years past, Tiger Tiger talked about filing the appropriate paperwork with the FAA, but she never got around to it. Maybe this year...
We just call it
Black Rock City Spaceport.
Kinda catchy, dontcha think??!
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 1:12 PMA quick google search makes it appear there is not a KBRC airport identifier :)
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 12:22 PMIs there some updated gps coordinates for the spaceport? All I have are BRC coordinats of random stuff, I can get us there but not exactly to the landing strip, although we could go by sight (probably not a kosher way to navigate someone who has never been there). All I have are 2006 zunicom data from last year.
Can anyone help me?
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 4:53 PMThis is what i got back from some the Volunteer Contact guy.... Blaze
Hey Funky Monkey Mech,(<--- Playa name for me)
There is no designator for Black Rock International Spaceport, we are a temporary airport and the FAA does not recognize us in the normal way. However there are a number of compelling reasons to give us a designator, not the least are the NOTAMs associated with the airport. We've been in process to get one for a couple of years, and it looks like it will happen this time. It is unprecedented, we are the only truly temporary airport in the US.
It won't be BRA, or BMA, those are taken.
I'm sure it will be all over the lists if we get one.
Wheels up,
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Mon, August 13, 2007 - 11:16 PMYou cant just make it a permanent airport, except that it is NOTAMed closed for 51 weeks of the year? :) -
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Tue, August 14, 2007 - 7:33 AMwww.burningman.com/on_the_p...ndex.html
aviators-list-subscribe@burningman.com <aviators-list-subscribe@burningman.com>
Hope this helps!!
KK
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Fri, August 17, 2007 - 9:37 AMCelsius,
If and when you get into the general area of BurningMan with your GPS you had better go by SIGHT. This is a VFR area that can be very hectic and if you have your head inside the cocpit your going to have trouble. Any time your with in 10 miles of BM your head should be outside the cocpit and on a swivel. There can be heavy traffic at any time of the day. If you can not look outside your aircraft and see the other planes on the ground or the runway then your GPS is not going to do you any good.
This is basic back country high density altitude soft field VFR flying. If you have no experience with this type of flying you are in for a treat. Dont wory about exact GPS numbers. If you are any where in the area and cant find the airport it is too dusty or smoky to land any way. Go away for an hour and come back ready to be looking outside you aircraft. And all the GPS numbers are with in a mile or so of each other, for the man, airport, runway, city or what ever other numbers are out there.
If all else fails I recomend that pilots fly to Reno, lots of numbers for reno, plot a course on your map for burning man the use some pilotage to find the place, if all else fails then go IFR, I follow roads, from Reno follow the freeway East to Fernley, then the two lane hwy North East to Gerlock, then East to BM.
I am not getting down on you, just so called pilots who have forgotten how to fly the plane. They have to have all sorts of fancy stuff to get them there and onto the ground. There is no fany flying at BM. It is basic by the seat of your pants flying in an enviroment most of the pilots dont give credit too. Every year I hear from pilots that say they should not have to fly any diferent than they do at home. Most of them fly from the southern cal area and have ATC making most of the decisions all the time and landing on wide long paved runways. Well if they fly out here like they fly down there sooner of later the desert is going to eat them. Basic stuff you learned the first weeks of flight school. Head outside and fly the plane first.
Come and have fun with basic flying if G airspace and an uncontroled airport with folks who care about you and welcome you home.
Hoot
Air Commander
Black Rock City
Airport Staff
( local pilot with over 1000 Hrs flying in this enviroment)
PS, DragonFly knowes what he is talking about most of the time. He is an experienced pilot with many hours in this enviroment -
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Re: Does the spaceport have an Identifier?
Sat, August 18, 2007 - 8:30 PMSweet, thanx hoot, Ive recived most of the info I need to make it happen. And we should expect the unexpected I realize, alittle air-anarchy is a healthy start to fire up the party. I figure I will use the FORCE to land, with the blast shield down on my helmet.
Thanx for all your help guys, tribe rocks.
See ya on the playa!
CM
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